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Hey Looney, just checking in on you and see that you need prayer in a few areas... It will be my pleasure and honor to pray for the health of your body today...and I will add a few for your spirit and soul too as well as for your finances!!! Im glad to read that you will be hosting the late nite Monday calls with TP. Ill try to get on if its not tooo late. You are so precious to God and all of us in this ministry we need you well and able. Our father has a way of escape from what the enemy has/is trying to do to you, I will press in in prayer for you today...You are loved and you are worth it! In His Love, Lifegiver

Hello??? Where are you Chris??? Are you still around??? Hoping for your families well being that you are still engaged in growing up to be Christ like and in doing so healing your children!!! We are for you Chris, not against you, but you need to do the work in order to grow up and be what God intended you to be. Let us know whats going on?!! In His Love, lifegiver

FHFH, You Quoted: And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all. In response to your quote above I would like to share some just received greater revelation from Gods Word, regarding the difference between being free and/or being a bond servant. In Ex 21 God speaks to Moses concerning bond servants and free men. A bond servant back then was different than what our American perception of a bond servant and free man looks like now a days... A bond servant was someone who had no place to go, no way out, being dependent upon HIS MASTER was the best place for him to be. HIS MASTER was the bond servants covering, provider, protector, justification. HIS MASTER cared for the bond servant as if he was his own child. If the bond servant was accused of a crime HIS MASTER took care of the situation and would defend his bond servant. HOWEVER, a free man was on his own, making his own choices, paying for his own crimes, choosing his own ways, etc. We all say we want to be free but in reality I believe its better to be a servant with the Great God of the universe as our Master. As a bond servant, please know that you are in THE MASTERS CARE!!! Praying for you today. In His Love, life giver

Hi Dory & Nemo, Just wanted to say thank you for your great advise tonight...What a concept...Call Joel!!! I havent thought to say that since after the intensive...But that is exactly what I need to say...THANK YOU BOTH VERY VERY MUCH!... I dont even want to reconcile at this point but he continues to pursue me and after reading the book I thought I was more equipped to answer him...but he really needs to reconnect with J&K or Robin to become accountable to someone other than me! Thank you again, In His Love, Lifegiver

Thanks KAY for your response about the wedding. It sounded so wonderful, esp the music with your children. I would have been so proud also. And the part about your mom and your 18yr old son, LOL!!! Thats really funny!!! Im looking forward to seeing the video when the married couple returns to the states. Is that dance on the video? As far as the betrayal and rejection of your sister and your former bff, I agree for you to let them go, they are immature and very arrested...You know, you dont always have to be the peacemaker, only when God tells you to! (Im learning that myself).I too have a sister, a year apart, that had taken my bff, when I was 13yrs old...(I hadnt remembered until Holy Spirit told me last year)...I guess thats why I have to a degree resented her and not really wanted to bond with her, throughout life. I have forgiven her in my heart and have tried to keep our relationship going but its been difficult. I have released her to the Father and have asked him to forgive me for any sin that I might have had through bitterness or resentment towards her. However, with all that said, I still keep my distance as I feel she is not one to still be trusted and its okay, as I said, we dont always have to be the peacemakers with the spirit of reconciliation. I have chosen to set up boundaries. Anyways, I understand about the calls, it is a real commitment and I for one appreciate what you and Bob have done for all these years, and the others as well! So thank you from all that is within me and when/if Holy Spirit prompts you to get back on, I know you will. For now enjoy your newly weds and the rest of your family. I will be praying for your new job?!! In His Love, Lifegiver

Yes Kay, please do tell and I sure hope there will be a video of the Blessed event!! I prayed for you and Bob that you would have great joy and peace in watching your beautiful dtr and son in law marry...and not too many unwelcomed emotions to arise. I hope you put the link to the video here, since I do not have a face book account. Looking forward to you and Bob getting back on the conference calls sometime... soon? In His Love, life giver

Hope you will have a Great Birthday and do something fun to celebrate who you are!! Also hope your husband will Bless you in ways that mean a lot to you! Enjoy life giver

Amen!! I agree with Dory, Enjoy the good that the Lord alone provides. YOU DESERVE IT! Will be praying for the up in coming wedding July 2...

I dont normally visit this section of the forum, but after I read what TimothyPaul wrote I just wanted to tell him that his insights and advise was very good! I hope Pk0321 reads and heeds, and learns these good traits now, and then is diligent to be consistent in them for the healing and restoration of his marriage and his family...And really for his entire life!!! Thanks TP for being so faithful to this ministry as your advise is full of Godly wisdom life giver

Hi Audra, I have not followed your story (although,I have heard you on the conference calls) but as I was reading this recent post a few things stuck out to me, but first I want to validate you in all of your efforts and in being the best woman of God and wife that you have tried to be, of course that was using the old false teachings from the churches of wives submit to your husbands in everything...I truly feel your pain and deeply hurt with you. I have been married 31yrs and together 33yrs, to someone who is/was just like Rocky (I call him KING CON)...And you sound like me, last year... totally exhausted, depleted, frustrated, done, etc...I just wanted out!!! So I truly do want you to know that I validate where you are at and what you are feeling. When you wrote: "I am weary of him asking the SAME questions, and making the SAME statements "tell me more about that...... I don't think I understand that .......... explain that to me - I haven't grasped it yet......." AND "Really he has enjoyed the responses he received from PureinHeart and Joel and Kathy. They provided him with the answers he wanted to hear, yet he will not act on them. It is likely that he will just use the words to show others that he has an understanding of these matters and he will be able to deliver the information.".... This made me think of the Power and Control wheel in Hegstroms book, Angry Men and The Women Who Love Them...and reminded me of TheKNOWLEDGE ABUSE - Whereby husbands, including my husband, who gained info from the books, incl. this one, the intensive, the moderators/conference calls, and me and has used that knowledge to abuse me further.......Not sure if this is what Rockys intent is but this is what has happened to me...But for me.... I tell him that this is knowledge abuse and then I just shut him out! I also do this with the other abuses from the Power and Control wheel when the situation arise. Hopefully a moderator can come along and address how to handle this better. Another thing that I was triggered in your post by was that you said that Rocky is still sleeping in the same bed with you? It can be very difficult to get him out but I will be praying for a strategy from the Lord to help you get him out of his comfort zone, esp in this area...The day I finally got my husband out of the house, I banged on the bedroom door, while he was sleeping in our bed, yelling at him to get out and when he opened the door, I started taking his clothes out of the dresser and told him if he didnt get out of the house now I was going to throw them on the lawn. He left the house that day and completely moved out the following!!! With these passive husbands (Ive always said that mine was passive, passive, aggressive, they are soooooooo slow for everything so we need to help them by shaking up their world that they live in!!) You also wrote: "BTW, Rocky appears to have lost trust and commitment to this ministry, and has used his usual derogatory body language speak to indicate that this is not a good place for us. I believe that this is his attempt to isolate me from support so that he can have more masculine privilege over me." OF COURSE HE HAS lost trust and commitment...too much work for him, this is not what he wants to sign up for... besides he is still too comfortable living the same life he has for 24yrs, minus some new information from this ministry and your saying your done...That is not enough for a CHANGE to occur in Rocky, should Rocky ever choose to change...And with regards to him trying to isolate you from support through this ministry, my husband still tries to do that too... to a degree, since I allowed it, way back right after the intensive, But not all the way...I stay connected, because I need this ministry, the support, the validation, the information...I love to pray for others and cry, hope and believe with them...Staying connected strengthens me and gives me the courage to stand up for myself and say NO to the abuse... There are no guarantees in this life other than what Jesus promises and His faithfulness to us, BECAUSE we are fallen man with sin all around us, and we cant CHANGE anyone EXCEPT as women/wives we can make better choices for ourselves that lead to peace within and peace around us. So the Best you can do for yourself is be accountable before God to follow hard after him and find the peace Jesus has promised us...When I learned the info that this ministry teaches and I believed that it was truth, because it made sense, and there were more scriptures to back it up than the old false theology, I went after it, BECAUSE I was now accountable for what God had revealed to me... My heart for you, is for my post to be an encouragement to you, for I truly do understand your struggles...I/we/our marriage is still struggling to survive, But should it not, I feel no guilt, shame, condemnation, regrets, I tried EVERYTHING and I know that I know that and It will not be on my account that we did not survive...Neither will God hold me accountable and the abuse will stop and I will regain my dignity back and I will be headed for a peaceful life...Nothing can change if we do nothing to change the situation our lives and for the lives of our children. I will be praying for you and the revelation that you need from the throne of Grace and Mercy and the strength to overcome. In His Love, life giver

YES, It hurts badly...and I hurt with you May...I wish I could take it all away. I wish all of my pain would go away too! I/we can only make good and right future choices not to allow the abuse to continue and pray that God turns what the enemy meant for evil around from us suffering, to bring good towards us and to bring HIM GLORY. O Lord, may the hearers, who listen to this call see the truth in the words and pain May has, in her brokenness poured out of her heart, and may your revelatory light shine so bright into the hearts, minds and souls of the abusers, so that many miracles can take place in our marriages. We need your Divine Intervention and most of us need it now. Thank you Lord for your faithfulness and your goodness towards us. We are trusting you, to come quickly and heal our marriages and all of our lives. May each abused wife find supernatural strength and encouragement directly from you Lord as we are in great need of new life, hope, strength and peace... Amen! Thank you for the posting the call June so all of us can hear it... should some be brave enough to listen. It is very good, and powerful and prayerfully convicting!! Thank you Kimberly and Josh for your faithfulness in helping with our marriages. May you be richly rewarded!

Praying for your marriage still, and looking for that storybook ending that some of us have received...Hoping that things are still progressing towards a heavenly reconciliation. You are on many of our hearts and prayers continually! life giver

Hello Mschetter2, I am not a helper in this ministry, but was an abused wife for over 30years of our marriage. This ministry has helped us tremendously and we are now working towards a happy marriage. Ive heard you on the calls and believe that if you continue to do what the moderators are suggesting, your marriage will have a good chance of surviving and thriving. Just trying to encourage you to continue pressing toward the goal of restoring your marriage. You are in the drivers seat, slow and steady and consistency is the key. Really listening to her heart and like you did last night, apologizing and validating her feelings is going in the right direction. Also, Praying for her continually will benefit both of you...Because our God answers prayers, when we have faith in Him, so you will see his hand at work..., and you will also be rewarded with the privilege to give of your self in an unselfish manner, behind the scene and I believe you will feel and care for her like never before. When you pray for someone you become more connected in the Spirit!!! I would encourage you to get both of J&K's books as well as some of the other books recommended through this ministry. I would also encourage you to read the post by "For Him For Her", to see his struggles...His latest post is reporting that his wife is turning around, I think after 4 long years...He has hung in there because HIS WIFE is worth it! It is hard, no IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, for a wife to resist a HUMBLE, SELFLESS, KIND, CONSIDERATE, PATIENT, PEACEFUL, GENEROUS, UNDERSTANDING, HELPFUL, REPENTIVE, LOVING HUSBAND!!! At/in this time, you have a great opportunity to read, listen and study to show yourself APPROVED!!! Will be praying for your changed attitude that it will become a lifestyle that your wife will not be able to resist your new Christ like love towards her, your children and in every area of your life! In His Love, life giver

Heard you on the call with Josh & Kimberly! Thanks for speaking up and giving us the great praise report!!! Im so glad that your husband completed the program for his drinking. Sounds like you are both working towards an OHM!! Praying that he will continue to stay sober and love you as Christ loves the church. In His Love, life giver